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Hey! Been absent from the BBS during the summer break from
school/work. :-) Had our grandson from out of town with
us ALL summer - it was great!!! :-)

Re: Re: race
By: jimmylogan to Nightfox on Wed Jun 04 2025 09:23 pm

I'm not an expert, but I don't know how one comes to the conclusion that
evolution is unprovable..?

Because it's a theory, and can't be reproduced in a lab or other controlled setting. There is absolutely no evidence of one species (or kind) changing from one to another.

Well there would have to be some evidence, or else nobody would have
come up with the theory of evolution.

I'm not an expert either, but I've looked into it. Have you heard
of the 'misssing link' that links modern humans with lower animals?
Well it's not the only 'missing link' there is - there are NO links
at all from one 'kind' to another.

Experts will tell you that it takes time - billions of years - for
the changes to happen. That's their explanation - given enough time,
anything can change to something else. So there is no evidence at
all.

There IS evidence of animals adapting to their environment, but
this is NOT the evolution theory that is taught.

But I'm not an expert.. It
seems to me, though, that it's natural for things to change, and we
have seen gene mutations, so there's that..

Yes, and feel free to give me an example! There are a myriad of them,
but in NONE of those cases did a dog become a cat, or a giraffe
become a horse. Adaptation or mutation WITHIN a species? Absolutely!
But from one to another? Not there...

And how do we know God himself didn't set evolution in motion?

Because He tells us, through the writing of Moses, that "in the beginning He created male and female" and these human beings were made AFTER the ocean animals, land animals, plants, etc.

I don't think that suggests that God didn't set evolution in motion..
It only says God created male and female/Adam and Eve.

If He had set evolution in motion, I think we would have been told.
Instead, we are told that He created. And we are told in what order.

And where does
the bible say that happened after creating ocean/land animals etc.?

In Genesis, we are told that God created 'night and day' on Day One.

On Day Two, He created the atmosphere.

On Day Three, He created 'dry ground,' and then created the plant life.

Day Four sees the rest of the universe being created - the stars, sun
& moon for seasons - to mark time.

Day Five is when ocean/sea life is created and birds are created.

Day Six sees all the land animals created, and then man is created.

That would also account for the dinosaurs being around before humans (which we have plenty of fossil evidence for),

I submit that the scienctists that report this 'fossil evidence' have
a worldview that influences it. Fossils are created when things are
buried rapidly, not over a long period. Have a wild animal die in
your back yard and it will be gone in no time at all, becasue it
is not protected from the other animals or the elements. There's
no way it will become fossilized.

But bury a huge number of creatures over a matter of minutes, hours,
days - whatever - and you WILL find almost more fossils than you
can count! I believe that's what happened in the Flood of Genesis
Six.

Scientists BELIEVE that it took a long time to create the fossils
because they do NOT believe in a global flood, or the Biblical
account. They can NOT recreate in a lab fossilization that takes
a long, long time, but they CAN recreate fossils in a SHORT
period of time.

but I've heard some
people say the Genesis story seems to conflict with the idea of there being dinosaurs on Earth long before humans.

Dinosaurs were around - the bones prove it. But why 'long before
humans?' Where is the proof in that? Carbon dating? Take a look
at the 'ancient' trees that were carbon dated after Mount Saint
Helens. What about the soft tissue that has been found in dinosaur
bones? Soft tissue that the scientists say can't be more than
10,000 or so years old, but is in a bone that they insist is
MILLIONS of years old.

Jesus confirms this and says the Old Testament is fact. He said He was God, that He would be killed and rise again - and then He did exactly that, proving He was who/what He said He was.

I know there are accounts of people saying his tomb was guarded, but
still his body was no longer there. Are those accounts reputable
though? As far as I know, there has never been another account of
anyone else doing that, so we know it's not a thing that typically happens.

Exactly! No one else has done it of their own accord! But how can
we take the word of these people? The people that DIED because they
believed it? People will die for something they believe, but they
won't normally die for something they KNOW is a lie...

The way I like to say it is, have you ever met "insert historical
figure here?" Someone from over 100 years ago. How do you know
they even lived? Because someone wrote it down as an eyewitness.
People have no problem believing the eyewitness of those that
fought at Gettysburg, or rode on the ships that Columbus was
in charge of...

We have a lot of genetic
diversity in the world today - How does that come about if we all came
from only 2 people?

The same way it happens with dogs... It only takes a few generations for an impressive amount of genetic variety to show up.

So, a species can evolve to develop other traits?

If they are hard coded into the DNA, sure! But a dog won't develop wings.
A bird might evolve into a longer or shorter beak, and a bird might
evolve into a bird that doesn't fly anymore, but a dog will never
become a bird.

Without a literal Adam and Eve, you don't just lose the Genesis account. You undercut the very foundation for the gospel itself.

I thought the foundation of the gospel was that through belief in God
and Jesus, we are forgiven for our sins. Or is that more of a New Testament thing?

It all points to Jesus. Genesis 3:15 is what I and others consider the
first prophecy in the Bible. It foretells of One to come against the
enemy. If Genesis is not literal, then do we need Jesus to come
and take the punishment for our sin? Our sin that is passed down
from Adam?

Gen 3:15 I will put hatred between you and the woman. Your
children and her children will be enemies. Her son will crush
your head. And you will crush his heel."



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Re: Re: race
By: jimmylogan to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 09:23 pm

I dislike the implication that the theory of evolition is rubbish because
it is non-falsable... it is a bit hypocritical because the "theory" of
the Abrahamic god is also non-falsable.

Except we have an eyewitness account and someone who says that it is true and then proceeded to be who and what He said He was. :-)

Yes, if we are to believe and trust them, and the accounts of the
people who say they saw Jesus' body missing from the tomb and seeing
Jesus after his death. How do we know they weren't hallucinating, for instance?

Over 500 people at one time were hallucinating? What about the people
that saw others that were healed of blindness, deafness - healing the
lame where they could walk again - walking on water - raising Lazarus
from the dead?

But my reply about the eyewitness account was of creation from the
Creator, who inspired Moses to write the account in a scroll that
we now call Genesis.



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